Two studies describing the outcomes for gender dysphoric young people have emerged in the past year. They say completely different things. Why is that? A laywoman attempts to answer.
May 16, 2022·edited May 16, 2022Liked by Sue Donym
Great analysis. Thanks for writing this stuff up—i'm sure the "TransYouth" study is going to be widely and misleadingly quoted by TRA clones soon enough, so, I may as well learn my way around it. This piece helps a lot.
Right on the nose with "social transition", and child transition more generally, actually being homophobic conversion therapy. I appreciate and share your raw emotions.
On top of that, I submit that it's also a longer-term plot to cement male dominance in society. "Femininity", after all, is mostly codified submission—so if kids get transed so that all the "feminine" (i.e., constitutionally submissive) kids are "identified as girls", then, it's not hard to see how society would begin self-assort in ways that entrench male supremacy.
.
Lastly—Sorry, but what's a "Hollingsford (mean) score?" I am unable to find even one single search hit for this.
Hi Sue. Great as always. I really enjoy your writing.
I read an article about this Olsen study in the CBC. I expect terrible reporting about these issues from them and they delivered. What a garbage study and article. How the CBC, based probably blocks away from Zucker's old office in Toronto, could not find a way to interview Zucker for a comment is beyond me. Obviously the CBC would never at this point. Journalism is on such life-support these days. Sorry, for the mini-Canadian media rant.
I'm still really conflicted about the homophobia explaining the trans movement angle. I can see how you get there, but I don't know. I have a gay male friend and he couldn't be more on for the trans and gender-fluid movement. He claims it's the future. But he can't be doing that out of homophobia? Why is he so entralled by it?
Mostly, I see it more as people needing to be the vanguard of something. Gay has lost its counter-culture chic. It was in danger of becoming normie too. It just wasn't progressive enough now that the gay movement has entered its married phase.
I don't know though. I just hope we can battle our way back to sanity before too long.
Perhaps a dip into the history of ethical problems in the field of Cosmetic Surgery will be a useful way to spot some patterns of behavior and speech adopted by "doctors" and "scientists" who rationalize their way into promoting horrendous "treatments" for otherwise young, healthy bodies owned by individuals with serious delusions: e.g. "The morality of plastic surgery subspecialty has undergone many moral dilemmas in the past few years. The role of the patient regardless of his unrealistic dreams has questionable ethical dimension. The problem is the loss of human values and replacing them with false values" Medical Ethics in Plastic Surgery: A Mini Review
I got the Olsen study, such as it is. I was stunned by the age that professed some sexual identity. A person at 6 hardly understands much about sexual orientation, only models what they see. And the study mentions children at 4.5 years old were identified, how pray tell? Given the bias toward the wealthy, I'm more convinced that parents decided for the child and reaffirmed that decision often. I found Rod Fleming's viewpoints useful https://www.rodfleming.com/category/sex-and-gender/ where effeminate boys often decide to become more female because they really are gay. Hard to say much about those with Autogynephilia as mentioned in https://unherd.com/2022/05/the-truth-about-autogynephilia.
And I am told the major issue today is teen females who decide they would rather become trans to join a special group. The Olsen study didn't seem to address those. At any rate your viewpoint on medical harm from puberty blockers ought to be the medical establishment's view but since this has become political (hasn't everything?), I doubt it can happen. That will be tragic for too many children.
Oddly this entire trans business seems to affect only the western communities. Elsewhere should boy wish to dress as females or act feminine that is accepted as a part of society (mostly). Less so for females who present as males in other places and I have no idea why.
Great analysis. Thanks for writing this stuff up—i'm sure the "TransYouth" study is going to be widely and misleadingly quoted by TRA clones soon enough, so, I may as well learn my way around it. This piece helps a lot.
Right on the nose with "social transition", and child transition more generally, actually being homophobic conversion therapy. I appreciate and share your raw emotions.
On top of that, I submit that it's also a longer-term plot to cement male dominance in society. "Femininity", after all, is mostly codified submission—so if kids get transed so that all the "feminine" (i.e., constitutionally submissive) kids are "identified as girls", then, it's not hard to see how society would begin self-assort in ways that entrench male supremacy.
.
Lastly—Sorry, but what's a "Hollingsford (mean) score?" I am unable to find even one single search hit for this.
Hi Sue. Great as always. I really enjoy your writing.
I read an article about this Olsen study in the CBC. I expect terrible reporting about these issues from them and they delivered. What a garbage study and article. How the CBC, based probably blocks away from Zucker's old office in Toronto, could not find a way to interview Zucker for a comment is beyond me. Obviously the CBC would never at this point. Journalism is on such life-support these days. Sorry, for the mini-Canadian media rant.
I'm still really conflicted about the homophobia explaining the trans movement angle. I can see how you get there, but I don't know. I have a gay male friend and he couldn't be more on for the trans and gender-fluid movement. He claims it's the future. But he can't be doing that out of homophobia? Why is he so entralled by it?
Mostly, I see it more as people needing to be the vanguard of something. Gay has lost its counter-culture chic. It was in danger of becoming normie too. It just wasn't progressive enough now that the gay movement has entered its married phase.
I don't know though. I just hope we can battle our way back to sanity before too long.
Perhaps a dip into the history of ethical problems in the field of Cosmetic Surgery will be a useful way to spot some patterns of behavior and speech adopted by "doctors" and "scientists" who rationalize their way into promoting horrendous "treatments" for otherwise young, healthy bodies owned by individuals with serious delusions: e.g. "The morality of plastic surgery subspecialty has undergone many moral dilemmas in the past few years. The role of the patient regardless of his unrealistic dreams has questionable ethical dimension. The problem is the loss of human values and replacing them with false values" Medical Ethics in Plastic Surgery: A Mini Review
Nasrin Nejadsarvari, etc. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5109381/
Are there also studies who are not from Dr. Zucker or reference him? This guy is yucky at the very least. If not a raging homophobe.
I got the Olsen study, such as it is. I was stunned by the age that professed some sexual identity. A person at 6 hardly understands much about sexual orientation, only models what they see. And the study mentions children at 4.5 years old were identified, how pray tell? Given the bias toward the wealthy, I'm more convinced that parents decided for the child and reaffirmed that decision often. I found Rod Fleming's viewpoints useful https://www.rodfleming.com/category/sex-and-gender/ where effeminate boys often decide to become more female because they really are gay. Hard to say much about those with Autogynephilia as mentioned in https://unherd.com/2022/05/the-truth-about-autogynephilia.
And I am told the major issue today is teen females who decide they would rather become trans to join a special group. The Olsen study didn't seem to address those. At any rate your viewpoint on medical harm from puberty blockers ought to be the medical establishment's view but since this has become political (hasn't everything?), I doubt it can happen. That will be tragic for too many children.
Oddly this entire trans business seems to affect only the western communities. Elsewhere should boy wish to dress as females or act feminine that is accepted as a part of society (mostly). Less so for females who present as males in other places and I have no idea why.